Rob Cairns talks Woo and all things GoDaddy with Marcus Burnette of GoDaddy Pro.
- Why Woo Commerce.
- Things you can do to optimize Woo.
- Security with Woo Commerce
- GoDaddy Pro’s latest Woo Commerce offerings.
Hey everybody, Rob Cairns here today I’m here with my good friend from GoDaddy Pro, Marcus Burnette. How are you today, Marcus?
I am doing great recovering from Wordcamp USA little bit but feeling good.
Yeah, it’s conferences, as we were saying before we went to record, have a tendency to take the world Audi and it’s just, uh, you need four days at the conference in a weekend home after, I think sometimes, you know?
Today I felt we jump in a little bit about woo since Acciari expertise.
But before we do, I was gonna ask you how did you get into WordPress and what’s your WordPress origin story?
Uhm, so I went to school for graphic design.
Uhm, that is sort of my core passion.
Always has been.
I love design.
I love looking at great design, doing design.
And so that’s where I started.
And you know, I started doing some design stuff in in high school and college.
And I didn’t really have a way to share that design with anyone and so.
I I started taking a peek at this this thing called the web.
At that time there weren’t a ton of ways to, you know, sign up for something like a Facebook or whatever and share your share your content easily.
You kind of had to build your own sites at that time and so started trying to figure out.
What that looks like.
Opened up Notepad, wrote a few lines of code, tried to figure out how to how to put something on the web so that I could share the design that I was doing, and quickly fell in love with just the web in general.
Uhm, being able to create content, publish it, and make it widely available?
For folks to see was was pretty exciting and so continued on down that path decided to sort of focus the design work on more web design type stuff and building websites.
I ended up working for an agency here in Orlando where I’m from a small agency.
Focused on just local small and medium sized businesses.
And we just built things, coded them by hand like I had been doing.
And at some point everyone was raving about CMSS and we’re like, well, what is this content management system?
We should probably look into this.
This looks like we can build sites that we can more easily manage and our clients can more easily manage.
And so we.
Took a look at a few different platforms and ultimately settled on Drupal at the time actually, so I built Drupal sites for.
I don’t know, 6-7 years, something like that. And at some point Drupal was going in a direction that we didn’t want to go in.
They decided to go enterprise and kind of changed a lot of things up and that wasn’t our our client target market, so.
We, uh, we, decided to take a look at what else might be out there and so looked at the content management systems again and had settled on WordPress.
When we originally were looking at content management systems and decided on Drupal, WordPress was still that quote UN quote blogging platform. That didn’t do.
Didn’t do everything else that you needed it to do.
So this time around we, you know, we had.
Custom post types and custom fields and all of that at our disposal, and so we decided to switch from Drupal to WordPress and.
That was, I don’t know, 2016 or so, so been building WordPress websites since about 2016.
Yeah, so that’s an interesting story.
A lot of people come to WordPress from either Drupal or Joomla or some other open source CMS.
And I mean, you’re a prime example of that.
So I guess just to kind of finish up how I got where I am now.
Uhm, you know, I worked at the agency for 10 years.
That’s through regular sites, Drupal and WordPress, and then at the beginning of 2020, right before COVID, I was hired by Sky Verge.
For folks that don’t know Sky verge.
Uhm is was the company building woo commerce extensions and I was hired to the support team there.
And then at the end of that year?
Uh, Scott Virgil is acquired by GoDaddy. And so we’re all part of the GoDaddy team and and at some point there was an opening on the GoDaddy Pro side for field marketing with some, some folks that people might know, Adam Warner and Sandy Edwards, Courtney Robertson, so I.
Transferred over to that team and I’ve been been there ever since.
And marketing is a whole new ball game then from doing support and.
I can say that wholeheartedly because I was sharing with you before we went to record. I worked in it for one and one in Toronto biggest hospitals for 22 years for eye opening agency and one of my functions there was I was the on call support lead for many, many years.
You know, support supports a whole new ball game and and sometimes I miss that world and honestly, sometimes I don’t.
But running my own agency, I’m always doing support.
So, you know, it’s kind of a mixed bag if you know what I.
Yeah, it it kind of made sense given my my tenure at the at the uh, the agency of the marketing agency that I was working at before.
So it wasn’t too big of a leap from support to to marketing.
It was probably a bigger leap from marketing to support, to be honest.
When I got hired at Sky Verge but.
The small agency that I was at, you know, I designed websites, I developed websites, I did social campaigns, I did e-mail marketing.
I did support there too, and strategy and all of that stuff and so.
All of that experience from the agency really lended itself to to hopping back into the marketing world.
Yeah, I would agree.
Uhm so what’s temp under WooCommerce?
Woo is is the?
Ecommerce platform for WordPress, there’s not, I mean there’s a couple smaller competitors out there.
There’s not really one that’s made a dent in this space in years.
Uhm, I would say.
And I could be wrong. Wu’s number one competitors? Probably Shopify, which is a stand alone product.
Uhm if somebody is.
Looking at doing ecommerce, why would?
Yeah, I I agree with you that I think Shopify is probably the biggest competitor, but they’re very different systems, so.
Uhm, woo commerce?
Well, let me step back.
So Shopify I would say is great until it’s not, you’re, you’re going to run into limitations with Shopify, be it in design, you know Shopify as a SAS platform.
So you you’re kind of allowed to do what they allow you to do, and I think that’s where woo commerce really shines.
Like WordPress, there are tons of plugins and extensions, but.
It’s almost infinitely extendable with, you know, with a developer that knows how to write a little bit of code.
And so I think WooCommerce ends up winning out just in its extensibility.
Uhm, you know the community, the plugin library and all of those options.
I would say, you know, if you’re looking to do kind of membership stuff or anything that’s even remotely a little bit complex, then woo commerce is going to get you.
Uh, where? Something like s s. You know any other SAS platform or whatever, it may be a little bit difficult to accomplish those things.
And I would also add like from my experience to get there even close on a SAS platform actually costs you more on a monthly basis and it does to do it with Wu like and I kind of look at it and say, OK.
The SAS platforms all come in at a base price and then they have extended tiers and they do what you really wanna do.
You gotta go to one of those extended tiers.
You know, the way I look at it is why don’t you just account for it and just be done with it, if you know what I mean from that perspective?
And I think it’s a little bit deceiving sometimes because woo commerce itself is free and open source.
But you know, to really do some things with it, you are most likely going to need to purchase a couple of third party extensions.
There are free versions of a lot of the things.
But they tried, they tried, and true, tested plugins are often paid for plugins, but ultimately you’re you’re still going to end up paying less and having a more extensible system through woo commerce than a closed SAS platform.
Yep, I’m actually building.
Doing a site out right now.
Uh my will say it’s on GoDaddy Pro Woo Commerce managed hosting so that and and and the reason for doing that frankly is what the managed hosting you get plugins included so when you start looking at.
I need it, I need this, I need this, I need this.
And then I have to worry about if all those pieces will not conflict with each other.
That’s another level, so you might as well just go to a managed hosting like the one that GoDaddy Pro offers and say here I’m I’m done.
And economically, when you math it out for the client, it’s actually not that bad when you kind of look at it that way.
Yeah, for sure.
And there there are several benefits.
Like you said, you start to need a few things and it it can add up.
So if they’re not bundled in, uhm, you know you have to.
You have to think about those costs.
But also you know you don’t always know what plugins are going to be the best.
Or like you said, make sure they don’t conflict with each other.
When you look at plans that have plugins bundled together the the research has kind of been done for you a little bit too.
The plugins are already there, they’re already available, you know they’re going to work with each other, and you don’t have to.
You know, doing hours of research to figure out which which piece it is that you’re actually going to need.
Yeah, and we’ve all been down at hours of research.
Rabbit hole haven’t waymarkers, you know.
Oh yes, Oh yes.
Many at night banging my head against the keyboard trying to figure out what I’m gonna do to make this last 2% work.
It’s an interesting problem.
You know, it’s it’s funny as as we’re doing this.
One of the questions I I threw out on Twitter the other day was a question and somebody Yan asked a question about AB testing and I know you answered him quickly with the link just to get it to him and that was much appreciated, but I.
I think one of the problems with Wu stores, and I see it time and time again, is clients don’t wanna pay their devs to do or their designers to do AB testing.
And I think they should.
Do you wanna touch on testing a little bit?
I mean when let’s say commerce specifically, right?
AB testing is, is is so valuable because it gives you.
Information on how to.
Increased sales, I mean that’s really the only reason you have an e-commerce store is because you’re trying to sell something and so anything in my opinion that you can do to kind of solidify, you know, what’s going to boost sales.
Is it some kind of outbound marketing?
What you know, what can we do?
Can we be more obvious when somebody comes to the website about the?
You know, kind of the flow that we want people to go through and and then a B testing falls in there too, right?
You can test all sorts of things based on you know time of day or you know 50% of folks go this direction, 50% that direction or you know some, some pay this price on pay that price to kind of see I think.
I saw someone was showing, I I think it was actually at Wordcamp US where we’re talking a little bit about whether a product that is $90.00 and then you have to pay for shipping or $100 and the shipping.
It’s free. Uhm, even if the $90.00 and shipping costs came out to less than $90.00, most of the time people still chose the $90.00 and free shipping option.
And so you end up making more money that way.
And I think that you don’t actually find that information out without AB testing and figuring out what’s going to work.
And I think free shipping versus not free shipping is a fantastic AB test.
But also figuring out which price point customers are willing to pay for something is a great way to AB test.
Or you know ABCD test, right?
You can do more than more than a couple, but you know is someone willing to?
Say $15 for this product 2535, let’s let’s set up some tests to see what what sells the best and then you can kind of run with that so.
I think that’s just hugely beneficial to to sales and that’s ultimately what anybody even has an ecommerce store for in the first place.
Yeah, it’s it’s funny when you mentioned shipping because there’s been all kinds of studies over the years and and and our biggest one is Amazon, right?
I mean, you know, I’m, I don’t know about you, but I’m a prime member.
I have been for years and.
And my mum always says to me, why do you go to Amazon?
I say two reasons, one to two days and I’m not paying for anything to have it shipped to my door beyond my membership.
And it’s that simple.
And it’s like people don’t like to pay for shipping.
We see this time and time again.
It doesn’t matter if it’s groceries, if it’s sporting goods, if it’s books.
They just seeing a.
$10 shipping amount next to my bill is like.
Uhm, absurd for me.
I just won’t do it.
So you know so.
Yeah, you start, you start to weigh mentally, you know, should I just go run and pick this up from the store myself if it’s going to cost me to ship?
And then it and then it’s.
How much is it gonna what else can I buy to get me over the cost?
That I don’t have to pay the shipping.
And and Amazon is a tough competitor of course, but you can kind of, you can kind of pick from that a little bit if you’re a smaller retailer, right, see what they’re doing and see what works well.
And like I said with the example, even if it was a product that was.
$80.00 with $5 shipping and the alternative was $90.00 with free shipping. Well, people are going to pick the $90.00 with free shipping more often than not, and you actually end up making $5 more on that transaction.
You know I I actually have, I was sharing with you and we’re talking about, about both this client I’m building now down on GoDaddy pros manage woo hosting and one of the things I sat down with him and said.
If it were me and he only ships in Canada.
I would determine your average shipping rate and just charge it.
Blanket Lee across the country and building in near Rice and he and he said why?
And I said, ’cause, you know that many people see that shipping charge and he’s selling high end jewelry, so this isn’t like glowing stuff.
I said minute people see shipping charge even though the items are 1000.
In $2000 they’re gonna shy away over 20 bucks and you don’t want to lose the sale on that, so just build it.
In and be done with it.
People don’t like surcharges.
No, that’s that’s all about the optics, but it’s so important.
Yeah, it’s so true.
So we talked about that.
The other thing I think that’s really important with woo sites is security.
And I I have to go there because you might have seen a Twitter post I posted about three weeks ago.
I had a.
Somebody reached out to me and asked for a site on it and I gave him one and he was running a Woo site.
And he had no security in place, so why no security mean he had plugins that were six months out of date.
Had no backup plugin with inside UM. He wasn’t running backups on the host side. He had over 2000 names in his Woo database.
And he wasn’t doing anything to protect these.
What’s wrong with this?
What’s wrong with Nice?
Sounds like a recipe for disaster, is what it sounds like.
Yeah, it was.
And I wrote him this.
Site audit report and said by the way, if you want me to do anything else, I care about integrity and you know where I sit in the security space, right I.
Have I manage over 300 sites right now, which I do security updates for on a biweekly basis.
And I’m I’m kind of in tune with what’s going on.
And I said I’m not prepared to do anything else for you till you clean out your house because the house is bad.
Then the Foundation’s not built. Then it’s not worth getting into.
What would you be doing on?
A Woo Commerce site for security.
Yeah, so I mean.
All sites should have some level of security, of course, but it’s not.
It’s it’s so much more important for a woo Commerce site than than anywhere else.
Just trying to think through your scenario there.
Probably the best outcome there is a corrupt database because of all the all that personal information in there.
Would be better off if nobody could get to it.
Yeah, no, I mean, so I’ll try and think back through the list.
First thing to do you know, would be update those plugins of course.
Uhm, make sure that those are.
Those are good.
Uhm, having some sort of backup in place to make sure that your database isn’t isn’t going anywhere.
Uh, you know, I’ve seen it happen, I’ve seen food commerce stores go down and you know, there’s not a whole lot in the way of backup.
It’s gonna take a while.
It’s gonna take a long while to uh to to rebuild that store.
Uhm and that’s lost sales.
I mean every minute, hour, day that that site is down is sales not fulfilled, not, you know, no purchases made, sales not fulfilled.
Uhm, so we can go there, right?
There’s going to be orders that have been placed, probably that won’t be fulfilled, and that’s going to be a headache as well.
So definitely have have a backup in place so if something does happen to the site that can easily restore that.
As far as the the customer information in the site, there’s you know.
That’s going to be there to some degree with woo Commerce stores because you want to be able to allow folks to log in and receipt, you know, retrieve their order information, check the status is and that sort of thing.
That means the database just needs to be secure.
It needs to uh, you know.
Of course, SSL certificate needs to be there to make sure that things are encrypted.
Uh, yeah, there’s just a lot of protection that needs to happen there.
Make sure that malware scans are happening.
And like you said time and time again, right?
The backups are important, but making sure that you can restore from those backups is equally important.
Get a staging site set up.
Make sure that you can restore from those backups on a regular intervals so that you you know you know if something happens to your site that you’re you’re going to be.
OK, and then the other thing I would almost do is for the admin accounts I would make sure I turn 2 FA on somewhere and and lock them down.
So at least you don’t get an administrator.
Rogue logging in and uh and use a complex password like.
We’re seeing more and more that.
Simple passwords or giving people access to sites, right ’cause.
These scripts don’t care.
These script kiddies are in different they just they just move on.
Next site, next site, next site.
They’re not targeted to sell scripting, right?
And and that, you know, it brings up a good point.
In general, the fewer logins that you can have in your site, the better now if you’re running a.
You know, uh, a site that’s online learning and people need to log in to be able to track their courses and all of that stuff.
Then there’s no.
Way around that.
But if you’re running a relatively simple store, and you can get away with having a page set up where someone can put in their confirmation number and retrieve order information, then that’s.
Be better than having a bunch of user logins if you.
Don’t need to.
Yep, and you can use user roles properly too.
Don’t give everybody admin access you, they don’t.
No, that’s please don’t do that.
I I I have seen that I’ve had that happen with clients where a coin is insisted that they have admin rights and then they’ll go and give the admin right access account to an intern who doesn’t have admin access.
And I’m going to tell you, it doesn’t go well for the client or me at the end of the day.
And they’ve done that recently too, so it’s, you know, it’s.
Worth and and then and any other thing. And I think it’s one thing you guys do at GoDaddy Pro when you’re one of many is be a partner with your woo store with your host. And I really mean that. I I don’t treat hosting as a.
I hired GoDaddy Pro as a host. For example, ’cause you work for GoDaddy, I treat this as a partnership and that makes a difference on the thought process and.
What you get out of it?
And I can’t speak for all hosts, but I know for ourselves.
Uhm, you know, I of course came from the Sky Bridge support team and so that’s how, that’s how we kind of how we treat that relationship too.
When you’re, when you’re writing into us, ultimately we want to make sure that we have.
All the documentation and all the resources that you could possibly have to do as much of troubleshooting or, you know, development as you can.
But at the end of the day you know you’re still going to probably need support at some point and that’s that’s what we’re here for.
We want to provide the best support possible and it is that partnership we.
We want you to do well of course. The best thing for for GoDaddy Pro, GoDaddy business wise is for you to be very happy with your product and continue to.
Build upon that and you know have lots of sales and if you’re running an ecommerce store, so your your success is our success.
No, I I agree with that. That’s a philosophy that I have endured for many, many years. So we’ve talked about some wood generalities, godani made some interesting announcements. Edward Kemp, US, what were the?
So I don’t think that it’s coming as much of a shock to most people.
I I think it was probably in the press release to some degree when Paisley was acquired that Paisley was acquired to work on a.
Woo commerce type SAS platform.
And so we are at a point where we’re beta testing.
We’re inviting folks to come give it a try now.
So it’s called managed woo commerce.
Doors and it’s full fully managed WordPress and WooCommerce on built mostly by Sky, the Sky Verge folks and hosted on page least cloud hosting infrastructure.
So you know, high availability, high performance and then you’re going to get.
The you know the software quality.
That comes with, you know, Sky Verges Development Team Sky verges plugins and all of that.
Yeah, and the caveat is to beta test it, you have to be in the US, which is unfortunate.
Yeah, that is correct. At the moment it is US only and a lot of that has to do with kind of some of the things that are built into it, right. So one of the major selling features besides you know the the PAGELY infrastructure that it’s being hosted.
One is our omnichannel marketplace functionality with inventory management.
And so because of the connections there being able to for, for those that aren’t aware of what that looks like, it’s basically allowing your Woo commerce store to be sort of the source of truth for your products and then be able to connect.
That store to places like Etsy, eBay, Amazon and others to sell in those places as well and keep inventory synced and pricing synced and all of that.
Stuff between your store and those and also in person sales as well. And so a lot of that is currently US only.
And so because of that, we’ve had to sort of narrow our scope at the moment to US folks.
No, I understand that. Uhm.
Who would be a good fit for this new product?
Probably anybody who’s doing multi channel selling right?
I would think, which is not uncommon out there.
Many people will sell on multiple marketplaces.
Yeah, 100%. UM, I think to what you want to look at, right. So this is a whole different, whole different system, whole different infrastructure underneath it. This is primarily targeted towards folks who.
Would be considered maybe Powersellers doing somewhere somewhere in the range of 100,000 to 1,000,000 a year? Uhm.
Is a a bit pricier than the the managed WordPress house.
Saying that, GoDaddy currently offers already and so it is meant to be sort of a higher tier.
Uhm, hosting option?
And high, high traffic, high volume is probably going to be the greatest determiner of whether or not this fits uh and then also of course the the marketplace selling whether that’s something that.
It would be beneficial.
Can you share with the listeners what the pricing will be of this or do you not?
Are you not sure at this point?
I do have current pricing.
There are three plans and the.
Basically, the differentiator between the plans are the number of orders that are able to be made on the third party marketplaces.
So like any WooCommerce store, you can have unlimited products, unlimited orders on your WooCommerce store.
But there are some limitations based on the marketplaces themselves so.
Uhm. The three plans differ from the the range from a 9999 a month to $100 a month to $250 a month based on those marketplace sales.
And there is a differentiation of a little bit of storage and bandwidth there too as you go up, but those are the main differences between the plans.
Yeah, I I would say to anybody when they looked at pricing and and this is always the problem with hosting, right.
We start looking at pricing, then people start looking at bottom basement prices and then they look at midrange and I would say your standard woo hosting if I remember right just starts at 2999, correct if somewhere in there and and then you go from there and what you gotta look at is.
What you’re getting with those plans, so we need to remember, I always say the people that said what type of hosting should I buy?
And I always say what would be their needs and what are we talking about, about the number of products and what are we talking about the about the traffic and what are we talking about?
About whether you need to connect to and, that’s all a factor.
So this is the problem.
When you’re looking at plans, you can’t just look at price, you actually have to look at what the resources you’re given in those plans are.
Yeah, and there’s there’s so much more to these planes, UM, that it’s hard to even go over all of it, but they’re.
The Sky Bridge team has done a great job of building in some of the things that were Sky Bridge plugins that we just think you don’t need to deal with managing more plugins or more plugin bloat.
So let’s build them into the system.
So there’s shipment tracking and cart abandonment emails built in.
There’s costs of goods reporting built in.
System built in.
Those are all things that were, you know, based on things that were Skybridge plugins that.
That just need to be in every woo commerce site and so we built them in.
Now you don’t have to worry about updating more plugins.
Now you don’t have to worry about more plugin.
Still have access to all of the Sky Verge suite of plugins like WooCommerce memberships and local pickup plus social login stuff.
And then there’s this.
Support, which like I said they came from Sky Verge support.
I don’t know of a better support than the Sky Virgin Pagely teams and with the with the managed WooCommerce stories you get straight access to those WordPress and WooCommerce experts.
So you’re kind of jumping the line and and talking straight to.
Straight to the sky Virgin Pagely folks, about your about your site, which is so valuable just in and of.
Itself I would agree.
I think in this business that we’re in, I think a lot of more people need to look at their support costs and look at what they’re paying and start to realize sometimes it’s worth paying a little more.
They get premium support.
I am so in that.
In that world of thinking, it’s so funny.
We were talking there on one circle back to something we were talking about, a little bit about.
The types of things in in a woo store and.
In my head it came to thank you pages and we all go where we buy something and then some website says thank you for buying and see your e-mail for confirmation.
And I honestly think thank you pages are the biggest miss opportunity for a marketer on the Internet.
I really do.
I don’t think most companies use thank you pages properly.
They should be using them to promote or upselling other products, promote a good piece of content, or do something with it, not just the standard.
Do you have any thoughts around thank you pages?
Yeah, I I 100% agree with you. I think that if that’s the end of the conversation that you’re missing an opportunity to continue really to continue building report for building a relationship with that client.
I I mean, you mentioned a couple of things, right?
Upsells you can drop a discount code on that page.
That will, you know, maybe convince them to buy something that they were on the fence about some some piece of valuable content.
Just anything really that’ll either drive additional sales or drive additional brand loyalty.
I think you mentioned adding some content, right?
So that’s a good place for, you know, thanks for your purchase.
Here’s some additional resources that you think that we think might be valuable to you and, you know, ebook or video or anything that helps them.
Use the thing they just bought would be just another point of out you know really have a a good feel for this company and and them taking care of me and so that drives brand loyalty which we all know drives all sorts of other things that you know return, return purchases, word of mouth.
You know, maybe it’s a great place for them to, you know, share something on social media about the brand.
And so I agree with you.
I think it’s a huge missed opportunity if that page just says thank you.
Have a nice day.
And I think, I think it’s getting more important with all their changes with what I call Cookie based marketing going on due to all the privacy laws in Europe and in North America we all know.
Uhm Cookie marketing is disappearing.
We known certainly on the Macs and the Apple ecosystem, they’re starting to block tracking cookies, Googles delayed their changes, I think for another six months or a year or something like that.
But we’re but the old ways of marketing and targeting people are.
So I think as marketers you need to rethink.
And I think one of the ways to rethink is to do something with that thank you page.
Yeah, yeah, it’s it’s definitely a double edged sword, right?
As a consumer I’m very happy that my privacy is is of of the most importance and that it’s being protected.
Didn’t you know that I have all the the the rights and laws on my side to keep my privacy to myself?
But from a from the marketing side, it definitely limits some of the things that you can do.
And so you just have to get a little bit more creative in some of the ways that you reach out to folks and create that brand awareness.
And that brand loyalty and keep people coming back to your.
Site yeah and.
And as a consumer, I would say if you want.
You just need to start paying cash for everything, like.
’cause, there’s no question that visa master cards are selling your data too, by the way, so you know why, you know people say, no, they’re not.
Yes, they are actually.
So they they are the the biggest cookie out there as far as I’m concerned.
So you know that’s.
Yeah, what are the things, uh, does GoDaddy have coming down the pipe? You have your weekly meetups, which are amazing by the way.
Moving attended a number of them, and.
Enjoyed those you’ve had?
I know you.
This week you had it interrupted by a security talk, which I still need to go back and watch.
What else do you have coming down the pipe that you can share at this point?
Yeah, I mean will we have the weekly meetups?
Those are on on Wednesday, 3:00 PM Eastern Time.
We have some some great guests coming up.
Our mutual buddy buddy Bud Krauss will be on in a.
Yeah, in a couple of weeks to to hang out and chat and so I think he’s going to be giving us a lesson on the query loop block and all the things you can do with that.
Yeah, if he ever gets back from Italy.
Yeah. No. Yeah. Looks like he’s having a good time. I missed him too at Wordcamp US. But you know that. Or Italy.
Yeah, I don’t blame him.
I I’d be in, I’d be in Italy where ’cause I I’m sorry.
There’s there’s not any and you’ve had.
Great guests over the years.
Yeah, you you had we were before the show talking about Mark and you had Mark Westgaard on.
There will be his forms you’ve had I think NAV Harris has been on with you guys.
Talking about finances.
Another mutual friend in fed alot alot of good guests on and you got some really interesting stuff coming down the pipe too, so that’ll be fun.
Yeah, we’re, I kind of re restocked the barrel a little bit on guests over work ampus, so made some some additional connections there and we’ll have some folks coming on that I was able to meet and talk to in San Diego this past week.
And so yeah, I’d be on the lookout for some some great shows coming up.
You know, this time of year we’re we’re getting into holiday readiness and stuff soon too, so there’s going to be a lot of great content.
Around security and, you know, marketing e-mail campaigns and making sure that your ecommerce site is ready for holiday traffic and all of that stuff.
And we’ll have some folks from GoDaddy on to talk about that, some folks from from other companies coming out to talk about that.
But that’s always a great, great time of the year to get kind of everything in order to get your ducks.
In a row when it comes to your Woo commerce stores.
Yeah, I’m and by the way, one of my favorite talks was the one you did right before word camp.
US, when you got your whole team on this share experiences, that was just so much fun. I mean, you guys.
Yeah, I was.
I was happy to be able to make that happen.
Everyone said, uh.
Set an hour aside and came on and talked and it was good to have us all have us all together.
Yeah, and I think that’s important because one, one thing I’ll say about your team is, hey, you guys care about the community.
There’s no question.
I’ve said this many times.
The second thing is you work hard, but you have fun together and that’s that came out in that presentation, so much so.
Thank you for doing it.
It was fun.
So so you’re back from word camp?
You ask your kind of.
Trying to decompress like the rest of your team.
I’ve talked to a couple, there’s a couple tired people out there.
And uh, hopefully next week you’ll you’ll be back in full gear, I would think.
Yep, back to it.
Spend a couple of days here sort of playing catch up and then we’re we’re right back to right back to things.
Some non word camp events that will be at in the next couple of months and recurring revenue retreat is always the popular one in November that I know some folks from the WordPress community.
Alright, and that’s here in Orlando, so I get to I get to be an event without having to go too far, which is nice.
That’s a good thing.
If somebody wants to reach out to Marcus, House is the best way these days.
Yeah, probably the best way is just through Twitter.
The There’s an e-commerce store owner and wants to give the managed WooCommerce stores a try. Please do reach out to me.
My DMS are open.
If anybody for that reason or any other reason ever wants to reach out to me, please do on Twitter and we’ll get you set up.
Yes, reach out to Marcus.
He’s certainly approachable and.
As I’ve said time and time again in market, I have him in my business and friends circle and I appreciate you and what your team does so much.
Thanks so much, Robert.
I appreciate you too.
And you have a wonderful day and thanks for joining me.