Episode 700 Working ON Your Business vs Working IN It with Cami MacNamara

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Show Highlights

In this milestone 700th episode of The SDM Show, host Rob Cairns sits down with longtime friend, agency owner, and digital strategist Cami MacNamara.

Rob and Cami look back at how podcasting and client work have evolved since the show’s humble beginnings during COVID-19 lockdowns. They dive into the critical discipline required to run a sustainable digital agency, why you must proactively work on your business rather than trapped inside it, and why early quarterly/annual planning cannot wait until the holidays.

They also tackle modern industry trends head-on: the realities and pitfalls of AI/LLM web development and “vibe coding,” why claims that websites are “dead” miss the mark, essential WordPress security protocols (including mandatory 2FA and strict user permission management), and how page builders and block frameworks are reshaping development.


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Show Notes

Key Discussion Points & Takeaways

  • The Episode 700 Milestone: Rob reflects on launching the podcast during COVID lockdowns inspired by Cody Bateman’s The Human Connection, navigating from episode one to hitting 700 published episodes.
  • Agency Habits & Weekly Consistency: Cami shares the discipline behind her weekly Monday morning agency newsletter, adopting proactive habits, and using public commitments to drive personal accountability.
  • Working ON vs. Working FOR Your Business: Why agency owners must carve out dedicated, uninterrupted time to refine service packages, update workflows, and clean house—rather than functioning as an employee to dozens of demanding clients.
  • Forward Planning & Lead Time: Why you cannot wait until December to plan your next year or launch holiday campaigns in November.
  • The “Vibe Coding” Reality Check: Why spinning up code with AI/LLMs doesn’t eliminate the fundamental need for developer expertise, long-term code maintenance, visual design structure, and rigorous security.
  • The Reality of AI for Web Clients: How clients are using AI to prepare content or mockup layouts, why it often leads to homogenized designs without distinct branding, and how agencies must guide clients toward true differentiation.
  • Non-Negotiable WordPress Security: Managing client expectations, why agencies must strictly enforce mandatory 2FA across all users, limiting administrator-level roles, and combating rogue user creation.
  • The WordPress Tooling Shift: How agency tech stacks are transitioning from legacy FTP/HTML to heavy page builders (Beaver Builder, Elementor, Divi), modern block editors (Kadence, GenerateBlocks), and custom code.

Timestamped Highlights

  • 00:00 – Welcome to Episode 700 with Cami MacNamara
  • 01:40 – The origin story of the podcast: COVID lockdowns and The Human Connection

  • 03:00 – Consistent agency newsletters, routines, and building accountability habits
  • 05:00 – Preparing service offerings early: Why planning for next year starts now
  • 06:14 – Taking time off in December to work on your business instead of in it
  • 07:35 – The difference between self-employment and owning a scalable agency
  • 09:20 – The “Vibe Coding” debate: Maintenance, security, and developer reality
  • 11:20 – Hand-coding vs. CMS: Why websites and CMSs are definitely not dead
  • 12:50 – Managing hundreds of care/security plans and enforcing single-admin access
  • 14:25 – Making 2FA 100% mandatory for all client accounts
  • 15:40 – How AI is changing client onboarding, content prep, and design homogenization
  • 18:40 – Why clients still pay for expertise: The hammer analogy
  • 20:45 – The evolution of WordPress site building: Page builders vs. block frameworks (Kadence, GenerateBlocks)
  • 22:45 – Managing plugin changes, lifetime deals, and the vital role of transparent communication.

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